"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
04/28/2020 at 10:48 • Filed to: coronavirus
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"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
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Asking for a friend.
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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 10:55 |
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lol...i was just looking at the process the other day out of curiosity
it seemed like if you have an advanced degree in a STEM or medical field you wouldn’t have a hard time getting in
vondon302
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:02 |
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150 grand will get you a passport.
ClassicDatsunDebate
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:04 |
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If you make it onto their soil, you could probably claim refugee status.
Poor_Sh
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
04/28/2020 at 11:05 |
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Orly?
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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> Poor_Sh
04/28/2020 at 11:07 |
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that was based on my 5 minutes of internet research, so massive grain of salt
ranwhenparked
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:11 |
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Its pretty hard, you either have to be independently wealthy and willing to invest in the economy, or have some sort of special skill that’s in shortage in their labour market.
Getting into a lot of really nice countries is a bit like joining a posh country club, take a look at how hard it is to move to Leichtenstein.
CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:18 |
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It’s one of the hardest countries to emigrate to from what I know.
Try PEI in Canada, they are essentially virus free because only 9 people live there...or something like that
Michael
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
04/28/2020 at 11:23 |
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...how advanced of a degree are we talking?
Gone
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:23 |
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If you get an Australia tourist visa (3 months in 12) and a NZ tourist visa (6 months in 12, 3 month chunks) you can escape for 9 months lol. 3 in NZ, 3 in AUS, 3 more in NZ IIRC.
Both countries are amazing. Would emigrate to either.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> Michael
04/28/2020 at 11:31 |
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Depends on the field. I had an interview there but didn’t get the job. They are big on engineering. Civil, mechanical. They have a skills shortage checker.
https://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/
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Future next gen S2000 owner
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:31 |
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Depends on the field. I had an interview there but didn’t get the job. They are big on engineering. Civil, mechanical. They have a skills shortage checker.
https://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/
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Just Jeepin'
> CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
04/28/2020 at 11:43 |
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My mom’s cousin owned a cottage, an hour from anywhere in New Brunswick or Nova Scotia, don’t remember which. I was sad I never got a chance to visit it before they sold it.
Checking the map to see if I could figure out where it was, I was shocked at just how far north Newfoundland is. I’d somehow managed to think of it roughly where Nova Scotia is.
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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> Michael
04/28/2020 at 11:45 |
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https://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/assets/uploads/long-term-skill-shortage-list.pdf
I guess not an “advanced” degree, just as long as you have a bachelors in some kind of STEM or medical field
Chariotoflove
> CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
04/28/2020 at 11:49 |
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I have a very romantic vision of PEI from having binge-read all of Lucy Maud Montgomery’s novels last year. I was just wondering the other day how an epidemic like this would spread in that situation, and I figured not too much at all, just because not too many people from off the island would travel to and from.
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Michael
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
04/28/2020 at 11:51 |
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So, uh...
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 11:57 |
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I have cousins who live there, they immigrated there when we were kids. As I understand it’s not that difficult, but depends on your skillset. They use a points system that basically favors those who are young and highly skilled. I do believe there are more points assigned to those who have advanced degrees in certain fields that are in high demand, but I think as long as your graduate degree isn’t in napkin folding most fields that are in high regard should suffice.
We would seriously consider it if it wasn’t so damn far away from everything. Between my family in Asia (still a ~12+ hour string of flights) and wife’s family in New England it’s pretty much as bad as it can get as far as distance from family goes for us.
Definitely on the bucket list to visit in the near future though.
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Thisismydisplayname
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 12:15 |
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If you have lots of canvas bags with $ signs on them, then maybe you have a shot, but you’ll have to rent. They won’t sell anymore land to non-residents, the bunker crowds have already bought up too much. That’s where all the high end bunker people are heading, well, have headed.
smobgirl
> Chariotoflove
04/28/2020 at 12:17 |
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This is a dumb question:
I read a lot and I’ve always read a lot but I have loathed the idea of Anne of Green Gables since I was a child because of some horrible tv show or movie series or something my mother was in love with. Are the books good? I mean I’d guess you think so since you read everything...
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smobgirl
> Michael
04/28/2020 at 12:18 |
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... are you interested in adopting a bunch of adult children?
jminer
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 12:28 |
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My wife worked with someone who immigrated there, they were both skilled workers so it was relatively easy (he had his PHD and she was a RN). If I recall if they either didn’t fit the requirements for skilled workers or retired before a certain number of years there was a large fee (1 million+) for doing so.
fintail
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 12:41 |
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As others said, just have money, and you’re in. The golden rule. It works in virtually every nation, especially “progressive” western nations who pretend to be against corruption. Anyone with money can get in, and there’s virtually no vetting related to the source of the money. That’s why the west coast is a hotbed for money laundering/capital parking CCP member embe zzlers.
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Chariotoflove
> smobgirl
04/28/2020 at 12:49 |
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That’s not dumb. That’s how people find literature, from asking each other.
I started with Ann of Green Gables because it was on my daughter’s summer reading list for school last year. I got into the characters and kept going. People think these books are light fare for teen girls because they center around young women and don’t have much in the way of “adult” content as we think of it these days (read sex and violence) . In reality, they deal with the struggles that we all face: figuring out who you are and finding your place in the world, what is home really, what is it like to make and lose best friends, how do you deal with losing a parent, and then later, losing a child, letting go of childish romantic notions and figuring out what’s really important and lasts .
There are two main ingredients in Montgomery’s novels. First is detailed exposition about nature. She paints a detailed picture of an idyllic island like only someone who knows and loves a place could. Glades, paths, brooks, groves, are all described in exquisite detail through the lens of the character, so you know how she sees it all. The passage of seasons and the changes in perception over the years mark both the march of time for the reader and show the evolution of the character’s view of the world. The second main ingredient is relationships. Events happen, but the story isn’t in the events. It’s focused on how the characters change and grow because of the events. Even in the later books that deal with the WWI years, the far away conflict is used to show how the relationships change as the characters grow and deal with loss.
If you’re interested, you can get an omnibus e-version of all Mongomery’s novels on Amazon for nothing or next to nothing. Start with the Anne of Green Gables series. It’s more light hearted. Make sure you read them in chronological order of the characters’ lives, not the order of publication. The first book starts with Anne as a preteen; the series ends with her in her 50s. The Emily of New Moon series is a tad bit darker, but still not “ dark” dark.
You probably weren’t looking for an entire NY Times book review, but there you have it.
Ash78, voting early and often
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 13:03 |
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Yep — and we gave up during the questionnaire process. They keep a running list of areas where there are skills shortages, which helps get you to the top of the list, usually requiring a written job offer from a local company . Also, being married and semi-wealthy always helps.
Basically it’s sort of like Switzerland or any other countries where people want to go. You have to prove you won’t be a l eech, and also that you’re not taking jobs from the locals.
My parents pulled it off for a couple years in the mid-70s, it was a similar system. My dad’s obscure job: Agricultural aircraft sales/service specialist and airframe mechanic (the latter was a backup).
Long story short: They beat coronovirus by basically “Being New Zealand”
nerd_racing
> Michael
04/28/2020 at 13:41 |
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I qualified too! Need a roommate?
functionoverfashion
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 13:55 |
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duurtlang
> ranwhenparked
04/28/2020 at 13:58 |
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Liechtenstein is an extreme example though. I would assume that getting into a EU country with a work permit is not overly hard, assuming you can find a job. I have multiple colleagues who are non-EU citizens in my company (in Munich Germany) , including Americans, Indians, South Africans and more. I am not German either, but do have an EU passport.
If you are a student it should be even easier.
KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Michael
04/28/2020 at 14:21 |
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What are you waiting for? Middle Earth calls!
Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 15:10 |
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If you’re a software developer, hardware engineer or reliability engineer ( with the right skill set), I can probably fix you up. Though not for a while.
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Just Jeepin'
> Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
04/28/2020 at 15:16 |
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It’s doable from that standpoint, I think, but realistically this is more a lament over your abundance of leadership compared to our shitshow of governmental incompetence than any hope I can ever escape it.
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Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 16:41 |
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Didn’t think you were serious, I was just throwing it out there in case somebody was, now or later. W e really are hiring (or at least we were before this shitshow happened) and it’s hard finding good people with special ist skills in a small market with a strong economy, so importing them’s a valid option and p retty easy for the sort of people we need . It’ll be interesting to see if it gets easi er to find people locally once business as usual resumes. I suspect it won’t: I think most of the economic hi t will fall on wo rk ers in low-wage sectors like tourism and retail, not the tech sector .
Though for all that people think of emigrating to new Zealand as shorthand for escaping the world’s troubles, it’s not nirvana here either - there’s a lot of upsides, but the economic standard of living is low relative to the US or Europe and it’s a complete PITA that to get pretty much anywhere is 12+ hours in a plane.
As to leadership, I don’t have a lot of time for Arden in a peacetime setting, and I’m a natural voter for her party. She doesn’t seem to be a great manager as opposed to leader: her government has bounced from i neffectual to incomp etent for most of their time in power . But she’s EXCEEDINGLY good in a crisis, there’s no question about that. Decisive, great communicator , logical but empathetic , backs the experts, stays on track, all the good stuff . It doesn’t hurt to have had pl enty of practice though - she’s dealt with the Christchurch terror attack, the White Is la nd volcano, and now this, all in her first 2 years in office. Most NZ Prime Mini s ters would have dealt with maybe one crisis of that type in their entire career: it’s a small country, not a lot of big bad shit happens.
Although in fairn ess to your lot, she’s got it pretty easy re la tive to leaders of larger and more complex countries . Political structure that allows the leadership to take absolute control in a crisis, government system that’s small enough and simple enough that they can actually get shit done in a hurry, opp osition party that realised their best hope for the next election was to shut up and be invisi ble through this, business leadership that was actively pushing for harsh early measures as they were terrified of a long drawn out semi-lockdown, social culture that values “taki ng one for the team” highly so collaborated with the lockdown well , borders that can be effe c tively closed, and the list goes on.
In terms of results per unit difficulty, I’d give the global le aders h ip high score to Angela Merkel of Germany over Ardern at this point . Trump and a good proportion of US state governors are, admittedly, still near the bottom of the points table even by that metric.
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Just Jeepin'
> Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
04/28/2020 at 17:06 |
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She sounds a bit like Churchill: not the best peacetime minister, but when the ultimate crisis arose...
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Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
> Just Jeepin'
04/28/2020 at 17:14 |
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If she had his level of oratory skills I’d vote for her all day every day just for the pleasure of watching her in action. She approaches it at times - her Christchurch memorial speech was pretty good. But “ You’ll be pleased to know that we do consider both the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny to be essential workers ” doesn’t quite hold up to “ We will fight them on the beaches... ” :-)
pip bip - choose Corrour
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 05:19 |
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for me it’s no issue.
as for anyone else? no idea.